Why don't they start with low-hanging fruit like the buggy and slow history and bookmarks view instead of yet another redesign of the main browser interface? Are the designers bored? And stop making everything excessively round. And it kinda looks like Opera, another adware AI browser.
The question is rather if Mozilla can win this catch-up game and win new users. If they do this they should rather IMHO simply upstream the stuff done by Zen [0], which IMHO has a much more modern look and feel. Btw: there is still quite some users that are lost if UI changes. Particularly older people might simply use pre-installed Edge if they have to get used to a new design anyway. My parent in law were still on SeaMonkey until a few months. I installed some weird old school theme (I think echolon [1]) to ease the transition.
I do not redesign my (physical) toolbox multiple times per decade.
On the contrary: I use my grandfather's drill, because it lasts longer and gets the job done more reliably then the "redesigned" crap that is most of the current market.
Do I still use FVWM2? Hell no...
Could I work the same like 30 years ago, if all the fashion wouldn't have happened: absolutely.
Re-litigating assertions is sometimes incredibly useful.
Firefox isn't in the spot it's in because it doesn't copy Material Poo/Liquid Ass enough, or because it doesn't look like Chrome enough, or that in a somewhat crowded market just doing your best to blend in with the rest is a good strategy for growth or popularity. Refusing to follow fashions that make your browser harder to use or uglier might not be a terrible idea. Mind you, I'm not trying to claim that it absolutely is a great idea, or that Mozilla should copy the Winamp skin and go backwards, but goddamn, have some guts.
But I guess it's an axiom, that if you don't copy how everyone else looks, you're doomed.
I really thought we'd be using a Firefox powered by Servo by now, but instead we're getting a second UI rewrite. At least it's not becoming a chromium wrapper.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to have a full size address area AND a full size vertical bar at the same time needs to find their way to the door. On desktops and large laptops it's not a major problem, but smaller displays it's wasting so much space.
This design feels very generic though. Doesn't really stand out from any other modern browser.
Why don't they start with low-hanging fruit like the buggy and slow history and bookmarks view instead of yet another redesign of the main browser interface? Are the designers bored? And stop making everything excessively round. And it kinda looks like Opera, another adware AI browser.
Because if their browser doesn’t look like the other ones on the market, customers assume Firefox is behind the times and not as good.
Like it or not, Apple and Google set trends in terms of look and feel.
The question is rather if Mozilla can win this catch-up game and win new users. If they do this they should rather IMHO simply upstream the stuff done by Zen [0], which IMHO has a much more modern look and feel. Btw: there is still quite some users that are lost if UI changes. Particularly older people might simply use pre-installed Edge if they have to get used to a new design anyway. My parent in law were still on SeaMonkey until a few months. I installed some weird old school theme (I think echolon [1]) to ease the transition.
[0] https://zen-browser.app/ [1] https://echelon-theme.github.io/
Do customers actually think that though?
We do not need to re-litigate the legitimacy of fashion whenever HNers take offence at the implication that they too are human.
This stuff is has all been proven, time and time again.
Software is also _a tool_.
I do not redesign my (physical) toolbox multiple times per decade. On the contrary: I use my grandfather's drill, because it lasts longer and gets the job done more reliably then the "redesigned" crap that is most of the current market.
Do I still use FVWM2? Hell no... Could I work the same like 30 years ago, if all the fashion wouldn't have happened: absolutely.
The major improvements weren't cosmetics.
Re-litigating assertions is sometimes incredibly useful.
Firefox isn't in the spot it's in because it doesn't copy Material Poo/Liquid Ass enough, or because it doesn't look like Chrome enough, or that in a somewhat crowded market just doing your best to blend in with the rest is a good strategy for growth or popularity. Refusing to follow fashions that make your browser harder to use or uglier might not be a terrible idea. Mind you, I'm not trying to claim that it absolutely is a great idea, or that Mozilla should copy the Winamp skin and go backwards, but goddamn, have some guts.
But I guess it's an axiom, that if you don't copy how everyone else looks, you're doomed.
Change for the sake of change.
This is a shallow dismissal, isn't it?
It's true
I really thought we'd be using a Firefox powered by Servo by now, but instead we're getting a second UI rewrite. At least it's not becoming a chromium wrapper.
Second?
Firefox was a UI rewrite before it was even called Firefox and there been several more since then.
Ladybird, Servo and Orion can't come soon enough.
Oh no, not again.
Firefox 4 was peak design, anything they've did afterwards is to keep designers employed.
Somebody finally picked up the login autofill bug, not sure it's production ready
Looks kinda like https://github.com/nuclearcodecat/shimmer
Whoever thought it was a good idea to have a full size address area AND a full size vertical bar at the same time needs to find their way to the door. On desktops and large laptops it's not a major problem, but smaller displays it's wasting so much space.
This design feels very generic though. Doesn't really stand out from any other modern browser.
maybe that's the point?
So tired of UI refreshes of things that already work fine.
Funny, I thought of "they added more things on the window title. They did. Why not add also the URL bar there ?
Arc Browser
Oh, FFS, who asked for this? Why not fix perf issues, or autofill randomly breaking requiring a restart?
I hate it.