FB Employee to Zuck: Instagram is eating our lunch. Their mobile photos experience is significantly better than ours and our users know it. We're losing the photo-sharing battle on mobile.
"They don't want to see what their friends post — they want to be entertained."
I know hindsight is 20-20, but, given how much data Mark et al had at their disposal by 2021, its crazy to me they didnt realise people much prefer being entertained that that keeps them consuming content longer - than just simply observing whats going on with the people they know.
The blue bubbles really sell it. Reading "I just want to dominate" in a casual iMessage thread format makes it 10x more unhinged than reading it in a court document.
If the difference in unhinged-ness is that large, aren't you worried that makes it an inaccurate representation of the source material, which was not written in a casual iMessage thread format?
Obviously no choice of how to represent them will perfectly reproduce what Zuckerberg or his staff would have seen, but I kinda think rendering things as DMs when they were not originally DMs is more misleading than most options.
It also feels very shoehorned. You have "conversations" where there's only one party, testimony, memos, and interviews presented as casual conversation, entire messages that are actually "[editorial commentary]", no profile pictures, a useless reply button, everyone's status is "online", etc.
I guess someone saw the recent project for viewing the Epstein emails and needed a way to differentiate...
Tim Cook: "If a business is built on misleading users, on data exploitation, on choices that are no choices at all, then it does not deserve our praise. It deserves reform."
That may be the one and only time he had some Steve Jobs spirit in him.
He and similar robber barons are just repeating the trust-era schemes using tech. They don't even hide anymore, Meta is a trust for all practical purposes. They will buy companies and do any number of back deals to maintain their monopoly, in flagrant disregard for antitrust laws.
>Instagram is underinvested in well-being. We have only 40 engineers working on it. Instagram scored 0 in 22 of 27 integrity categories. This is not sustainable.
What are those 27 categories?
Can't find anything online
This is the essence of product development - creating objects that make you 'feel' something. I definitely feel something when reading through the chats in this interface vs another form.
This looks like a compilation of emails made available through various court cases and leaks over the past 15+ years. Each conversation lists a source (look for small text after all the messages). There's a bunch of different sources.
As to why it's relevant now - I don't think it is. It's likely just a spin-off of similar renders that started popping out in relation to the Epstein files.
I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
Leaked AIM log (Silicon Alley Insider, 2010)
Friday, January 16, 2004 at 6:01 AM
[What? How'd you manage that one?
Leaked AIM log (Silicon Alley Insider, 2010)
Friday, January 16, 2004 at 6:01 AM
People just submitted it.
Leaked AIM log (Silicon Alley Insider, 2010)
Friday, January 16, 2004 at 6:02 AM
I don't know why.
Leaked AIM log (Silicon Alley Insider, 2010)
Friday, January 16, 2004 at 6:02 AM
They "trust me"
Leaked AIM log (Silicon Alley Insider, 2010)
Friday, January 16, 2004 at 6:02 AM
Dumb fucks.
There are so many examples of this. There are actually people who care about others, and some even resigned over these moral problems.
Interesting to see how zuckerberg didn't care about this at all.
Also this:
> I know that I have blood on my hands by now. I've personally made decisions that affected national elections. I've watched political manipulation in Honduras, Azerbaijan, India, Ukraine, Brazil, Bolivia, and Ecuador. And I've seen Facebook choose profits over action every single time.
Yeah, two easy fixes here: don't make the sidebar jump back to the top after loading a message, and sort by date. Otherwise I appreciate the view into this heartless sociopath's mind.
>Otherwise I appreciate the view into this heartless sociopath's mind.
I really don't think it's fair to characterize someone that way.
>>I've decided to raise the bar on performance management and move out low-performers faster. We typically manage out people who aren't meeting expectations over the course of a year, but now we're going to do more extensive performance-based cuts during this cycle. This is going to be an intense year.
Say what you will about Zuckerberg, he has a good command of the English language, is able to express himself clearly, and knows what the Shift key is for.
And if I were Eduardo Saverin, boy would I have a lot to say about Zuckerberg.
For the random HN comments I see from time to time; that aren't even seeing their friends posts in the Facebook feed
https://zuckmail.vercel.app/t/teen-usage-decline
Also interesting, he didnt respond to this email directly... but:
https://zuckmail.vercel.app/t/ig-eating-our-lunch
FB Employee to Zuck: Instagram is eating our lunch. Their mobile photos experience is significantly better than ours and our users know it. We're losing the photo-sharing battle on mobile.
We know what ended up happening. ;)
On this link:
"They don't want to see what their friends post — they want to be entertained."
I know hindsight is 20-20, but, given how much data Mark et al had at their disposal by 2021, its crazy to me they didnt realise people much prefer being entertained that that keeps them consuming content longer - than just simply observing whats going on with the people they know.
The blue bubbles really sell it. Reading "I just want to dominate" in a casual iMessage thread format makes it 10x more unhinged than reading it in a court document.
If the difference in unhinged-ness is that large, aren't you worried that makes it an inaccurate representation of the source material, which was not written in a casual iMessage thread format?
Obviously no choice of how to represent them will perfectly reproduce what Zuckerberg or his staff would have seen, but I kinda think rendering things as DMs when they were not originally DMs is more misleading than most options.
It also feels very shoehorned. You have "conversations" where there's only one party, testimony, memos, and interviews presented as casual conversation, entire messages that are actually "[editorial commentary]", no profile pictures, a useless reply button, everyone's status is "online", etc.
I guess someone saw the recent project for viewing the Epstein emails and needed a way to differentiate...
And the execution is pretty much terrible. This barely works on mobile
Tim Cook: "If a business is built on misleading users, on data exploitation, on choices that are no choices at all, then it does not deserve our praise. It deserves reform."
That may be the one and only time he had some Steve Jobs spirit in him.
This is really cool, but I wish it was sorted by date. It's difficult to see the narrative since it jumps around.
There seems to be an issue with the messages sidebar snapping back to the top whenever a thread is selected. Pretty tedious to scroll down each time.
He and similar robber barons are just repeating the trust-era schemes using tech. They don't even hide anymore, Meta is a trust for all practical purposes. They will buy companies and do any number of back deals to maintain their monopoly, in flagrant disregard for antitrust laws.
Hes definitely no genius or visionary. A ruthless competitive s.o.b for sure.
>Instagram is underinvested in well-being. We have only 40 engineers working on it. Instagram scored 0 in 22 of 27 integrity categories. This is not sustainable.
What are those 27 categories? Can't find anything online
Hey -- I just registered zmail.website for you if you want it. Figure it's more memorable, like jmail.world.
This is cool! Nice work OP.
There’s something about seeing it as chat messages that makes it feel more tangible.
This is the essence of product development - creating objects that make you 'feel' something. I definitely feel something when reading through the chats in this interface vs another form.
What is the context? Were Zuckerberg's old emails made available to the public?
This looks like a compilation of emails made available through various court cases and leaks over the past 15+ years. Each conversation lists a source (look for small text after all the messages). There's a bunch of different sources.
As to why it's relevant now - I don't think it is. It's likely just a spin-off of similar renders that started popping out in relation to the Epstein files.
i can’t even imagine the kind of stuff thats not on email, he has to know eventually emails can be exposed through court orders
Is this real? “I’m going to FXXX them. Probably in the ear.”
lol
Very cool! Could you support sorting of some kind? Would love to at least view most recent first.
Is there a link to the dataset in machine-readable format?
Wait! The dumb fucks email is here!
https://zuckmail.vercel.app/t/harvard-dumb-fucks
https://zuckmail.vercel.app/t/teen-body-image
There are so many examples of this. There are actually people who care about others, and some even resigned over these moral problems.
Interesting to see how zuckerberg didn't care about this at all.
Also this:
> I know that I have blood on my hands by now. I've personally made decisions that affected national elections. I've watched political manipulation in Honduras, Azerbaijan, India, Ukraine, Brazil, Bolivia, and Ecuador. And I've seen Facebook choose profits over action every single time.
https://zuckmail.vercel.app/t/zhang-blood-on-hands
https://zuckmail.vercel.app/t/threads-project-92-call
so this is how threads came to be
Yeah, two easy fixes here: don't make the sidebar jump back to the top after loading a message, and sort by date. Otherwise I appreciate the view into this heartless sociopath's mind.
>Otherwise I appreciate the view into this heartless sociopath's mind.
I really don't think it's fair to characterize someone that way.
>>I've decided to raise the bar on performance management and move out low-performers faster. We typically manage out people who aren't meeting expectations over the course of a year, but now we're going to do more extensive performance-based cuts during this cycle. This is going to be an intense year.
Ah, never mind.
Say what you will about Zuckerberg, he has a good command of the English language, is able to express himself clearly, and knows what the Shift key is for.
And if I were Eduardo Saverin, boy would I have a lot to say about Zuckerberg.
filters are buggy, decent vibe-coding otherwise