My wife and I have both used gmail for twenty years - she's been sending me email from her account for years, with my personal domain forwarding to my gmail. But since the Google Domains > Squarespace disaster, the gmail spam filter has lost the plot - it will occasionally spam filter of her from-gmail emails mid thread.
I am certain I have missed critical emails because of this, so trust is gone. I now have to dedicate time each day to going through my gets-an-email-every-two-minutes spam folder. Even though I happily worked there for 16 years, I sadly now find myself in the process of de-Googling.
Oh yeah... every day half the mail I receive at work is flagged as "unsafe," and then the banner that tells you this in Outlook presents a button to "manage safe senders."
So I press it and add (for example) OUR OWN JIRA SERVER to the whitelist... which HAS NO EFFECT. Every goddamned day, every Jira message is flagged as dangerous and has blocked content.
I complained to Microsoft, who made up some pathetic excuse about how that's not what that button does... and how every person at my company should contact OUR IT department to have the senders of every E-mail they receive added to some OTHER whitelist, one at a time. Seriously.
The stupidity level at Microsoft today isn't funny. It's sickening. It's also offensive, wasting paying customers' time to the tune of thousands of man-hours daily (and that's probably just at my company).
Use to maintain a couple of mailservers for an ecommerce platform. The amount of times we where greylisted by MS was so often. They actually have good tools at MS to check is your are blacklisted, but the greylisting was horrible. Resolution was always to request to be un-blacklisted at live, hotmail, and outlook. Never confirmation you actually where blocked, but problem was always fixed in half a day after that.
I have several Google accounts registered at various emails, but they get auto-forwarded to my gmail. Gmail spam filter regularly puts Google's own messages related to those accounts into spam. I have marked them as "not spam" for ages, but the spam filter does not really learn.
No idea whether it is incompetence or malice, asking me not to use other email providers, too.
I eventually caved in a couple of years ago and migrated our corp email system to MS (I'm the MD and we are a precious metal "partner").
Our MX records go to my trusty Exim n rspamd MTA on prem. If MS take the piss with subscription costs then, I'll simply move us elsewhere. If they all take the piss, I'll expand our Dovecot somewhat and worry about a calendaring app.
I've been doing email systems for about 30 years now and I think I have a handle on some of the issues involved.
Meanwhile for weeks at a time I got obvious spam and phising right in my inbox. It just didn't stop. Twenty mails per day. I was about to cancel my Office 365 subscription; and then from one day to the other it just stopped.
Well, we're talking about something that makes all other mail readers draw J for smileys since decades because M$ doesn't give a shit about even de-facto standards, after all...
I suspect providers are tinkering with antispam systems, likely adding "AI". FastMail had good one for years, if not the best, was the last to make its antispam totally useless in last year or two.
My wife and I have both used gmail for twenty years - she's been sending me email from her account for years, with my personal domain forwarding to my gmail. But since the Google Domains > Squarespace disaster, the gmail spam filter has lost the plot - it will occasionally spam filter of her from-gmail emails mid thread.
I am certain I have missed critical emails because of this, so trust is gone. I now have to dedicate time each day to going through my gets-an-email-every-two-minutes spam folder. Even though I happily worked there for 16 years, I sadly now find myself in the process of de-Googling.
Oh yeah... every day half the mail I receive at work is flagged as "unsafe," and then the banner that tells you this in Outlook presents a button to "manage safe senders."
So I press it and add (for example) OUR OWN JIRA SERVER to the whitelist... which HAS NO EFFECT. Every goddamned day, every Jira message is flagged as dangerous and has blocked content.
I complained to Microsoft, who made up some pathetic excuse about how that's not what that button does... and how every person at my company should contact OUR IT department to have the senders of every E-mail they receive added to some OTHER whitelist, one at a time. Seriously.
The stupidity level at Microsoft today isn't funny. It's sickening. It's also offensive, wasting paying customers' time to the tune of thousands of man-hours daily (and that's probably just at my company).
>> The stupidity level at Microsoft today isn't funny.
Stupidity and gaslighting are not the same thing, but MS seems to have plenty of both for us.
Fair enough!
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Use to maintain a couple of mailservers for an ecommerce platform. The amount of times we where greylisted by MS was so often. They actually have good tools at MS to check is your are blacklisted, but the greylisting was horrible. Resolution was always to request to be un-blacklisted at live, hotmail, and outlook. Never confirmation you actually where blocked, but problem was always fixed in half a day after that.
I have several Google accounts registered at various emails, but they get auto-forwarded to my gmail. Gmail spam filter regularly puts Google's own messages related to those accounts into spam. I have marked them as "not spam" for ages, but the spam filter does not really learn.
No idea whether it is incompetence or malice, asking me not to use other email providers, too.
Looks like it is still not "fixed"; as it also flagged a couple of months ago for me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45604447
Who builds the gold-standard spam filter?
I run Gmail at work and Outlook at home and am thoroughly disappointed by both.
Spam filters are notoriously tricky for everyone, not just microsoft.
But Microsoft can't even handle its own whitelist... and floats offensively absurd excuses for their incompetence.
https://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts
I eventually caved in a couple of years ago and migrated our corp email system to MS (I'm the MD and we are a precious metal "partner").
Our MX records go to my trusty Exim n rspamd MTA on prem. If MS take the piss with subscription costs then, I'll simply move us elsewhere. If they all take the piss, I'll expand our Dovecot somewhat and worry about a calendaring app.
I've been doing email systems for about 30 years now and I think I have a handle on some of the issues involved.
Meanwhile for weeks at a time I got obvious spam and phising right in my inbox. It just didn't stop. Twenty mails per day. I was about to cancel my Office 365 subscription; and then from one day to the other it just stopped.
Well, we're talking about something that makes all other mail readers draw J for smileys since decades because M$ doesn't give a shit about even de-facto standards, after all...
I suspect providers are tinkering with antispam systems, likely adding "AI". FastMail had good one for years, if not the best, was the last to make its antispam totally useless in last year or two.
Bullshit, it doesn’t block a damn thing for me ever lol